Curse

DreamRunner · Feb 09, 2008, 06:36 PM // 18:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Sonya

Lol BOY you ARE living in a FANTASY world thinking like that hahahah that's the funniest thing I ever read hahahah. Everyone EQUAL hahaha baw haw haw haw. You better go back to guild school boy. When I put out all the cash and effort to get a GOOD guild going everyone is certainly going to comply to MY rules just like in real life where I am supervisor of 25 employees when I say jump they ask how high.

The lack of dicipline is a growing problem in just about every industry nowadays, but, I still run MY ship MY way with old school tactics that WORK and keep people WORKING and not playing games behind managers/supervisors backs. I catch a person playing a game any game at work and they are gone gone gone on the spot bye bye hit the door baby. But, I play at work of course cause I'm the owner hahahah

You remind me of the manager of a store that had to move to another store, and by move I mean he had to go to smaller store that was far away from him. I guess you could say, he was demoted. I was stacking wine a different way than he wanted, I did things how we thought(casuals, other full timers and previous managers) was best for the customer, easiest for the person who had to stack the wine and looked the best overall. After we did this and I was trying explaining why it is, however, he told me to shut up and asked me why I didn't do his way. I replied that I think its the best way of doing things, he told me not to think and this was at screaming point in my face.

I felt extremely insulted, by screaming "not to think" and without explain that changing to his way of doing things is better. Well, I told the area manager about the situation and left, I got offered to come back and that the manager had gone to another store by people up top.

anonymous · Feb 10, 2008, 06:39 AM // 06:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Sonya

Lol BOY you ARE living in a FANTASY world thinking like that hahahah that's the funniest thing I ever read hahahah. Everyone EQUAL hahaha baw haw haw haw. You better go back to guild school boy. When I put out all the cash and effort to get a GOOD guild going everyone is certainly going to comply to MY rules just like in real life where I am supervisor of 25 employees when I say jump they ask how high.

The lack of dicipline is a growing problem in just about every industry nowadays, but, I still run MY ship MY way with old school tactics that WORK and keep people WORKING and not playing games behind managers/supervisors backs. I catch a person playing a game any game at work and they are gone gone gone on the spot bye bye hit the door baby. But, I play at work of course cause I'm the owner hahahah

Wow you are a real idiot. I can't stand hypocrites like you. Its wrong for you to do something but its ok for me because I am the authority. That is a bulls*** viewpoint.

2nd its just a game. I can understand firing someone for doing something they aren't supposed to on the job, because they are getting paid, but unless you are paying your members to be in the guild that doesn't carry over.

zwei2stein · Feb 10, 2008, 07:42 AM // 07:42

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

You remind me of the manager of a store that had to move to another store, and by move I mean he had to go to smaller store that was far away from him. I guess you could say, he was demoted. I was stacking wine a different way than he wanted, I did things how we thought(casuals, other full timers and previous managers) was best for the customer, easiest for the person who had to stack the wine and looked the best overall. After we did this and I was trying explaining why it is, however, he told me to shut up and asked me why I didn't do his way. I replied that I think its the best way of doing things, he told me not to think and this was at screaming point in my face.

I felt extremely insulted, by screaming "not to think" and without explain that changing to his way of doing things is better. Well, I told the area manager about the situation and left, I got offered to come back and that the manager had gone to another store by people up top.

It also works the other way: People leaving.

If i give Red Sonya shaddows of doubt and pretend that he is owner of small company/some supervisor, this is going to happen with his jackass apprach:

* People have no respect for him. That goes from badmouthing him behind his back 24/7. That also inludes knife in his back asap chance is given and go over your dead body.

* People leave. He will get stuck with people who are bad at their job and fresh graduates which leave asap they can put "one year of junioring" in their CV., able people will leave for better job unless there is something serious preventing them.

* Poor performance. If boss is playing games at work, you are not going to work extra hard to have his ass when he needs it.

That means your company/department is in deep shit. That means that you are in deep shit.

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And to think that you are running game guild with same mindset ...

HuntMaster Avatar · Feb 10, 2008, 08:11 AM // 08:11

yea i'v come across this alot. the last one was so full of himself it made me sick. He was a wiki poster and talked about all the Super secret 500k per hour runs he knew but would share none with the guild. he was full of crap and obnoxious. his childish ways spread and soon 5 non officers were acting and talking just like him. i left soon after.

I have never been a member of a guild with no flaws. they either scam or are full of themselves or don't help at all or are inactive or something.

And creating a guild at this point is nearly pointless. most people are leavers and the others are inactive or moochers. I would never lead a guild in this game. too much work, not enough reward.

It's A Me · Feb 10, 2008, 08:13 AM // 08:13

Ive had a similar problem, not as much as you, if thats even possible, but about 3-4 guilds ive been and thought why the hell that person was an officer. Out of the 30 odd guilds I've been in (yeah, not too proud of it but theyre all the same and ive been guildless for a while now so meh) the officers are officers for a reason, because theyre generally good at the game and know how to handle things, so I'm guessing there must be something your doing wrong.

Uber Mass · Feb 10, 2008, 10:27 AM // 10:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Sonya

Lol BOY you ARE living in a FANTASY world thinking like that hahahah that's the funniest thing I ever read hahahah. Everyone EQUAL hahaha baw haw haw haw. You better go back to guild school boy. When I put out all the cash and effort to get a GOOD guild going everyone is certainly going to comply to MY rules just like in real life where I am supervisor of 25 employees when I say jump they ask how high.

The lack of dicipline is a growing problem in just about every industry nowadays, but, I still run MY ship MY way with old school tactics that WORK and keep people WORKING and not playing games behind managers/supervisors backs. I catch a person playing a game any game at work and they are gone gone gone on the spot bye bye hit the door baby. But, I play at work of course cause I'm the owner hahahah

Playing at work... shows how good an "owner" you are *cough*. But i have a question do you have mobile internet? Cuz i have a picture of you working here.. oh well share it with us please

Cats · Feb 11, 2008, 04:20 AM // 04:20

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

It also works the other way: People leaving.

If i give Red Sonya shaddows of doubt and pretend that he is owner of small company/some supervisor, this is going to happen with his jackass apprach:

* People have no respect for him. That goes from badmouthing him behind his back 24/7. That also inludes knife in his back asap chance is given and go over your dead body.

* People leave. He will get stuck with people who are bad at their job and fresh graduates which leave asap they can put "one year of junioring" in their CV., able people will leave for better job unless there is something serious preventing them.

* Poor performance. If boss is playing games at work, you are not going to work extra hard to have his ass when he needs it.

That means your company/department is in deep shit. That means that you are in deep shit.

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And to think that you are running game guild with same mindset ...

Sounds like the last company I worked for. They started out with 5, expanded to 15, then every single party of that 15 left. Last I heard, they're at 3 lol. Some of the staff were talking about suing the boss for his not only obnoxious behavior, but also his baseless accusations. At least though, we could say we're paid. Different story if it's a gaming-guild.

enter_the_zone · Feb 11, 2008, 04:29 AM // 04:29

My alliance has had guilds with officers like this. Fortunately, our alliance leader (and my GL) has no problem temp kicking these guilds if necessary and re-inviting once the problem has been sorted.

My guild has never had an issue with this, since our GL is also quite willing to kick even his mates if they become too annoying/overbearing.

kratimas · Feb 11, 2008, 04:45 AM // 04:45

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Originally Posted by Antheus

No, you'd be surprised at what some Fortune 500 managers and CxOs are like. Even physical confrontations aren't beneath some of them. Most 11-year olds are more mature, and competent, than them.

But in corporate world that rarely matters. If someone is making profit, even through slave labor, the stockholders are happy. See Wal-Mart and company. As long as CEO gets their billions in earnings, they'll take anything.

You could not have hit the nail on the head any better.

My 7 year old son is more mature and intelligent then most of our managers.

Krat

Laughing Bat · Feb 11, 2008, 08:30 AM // 08:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Sonya

Lol BOY you ARE living in a FANTASY world thinking like that hahahah that's the funniest thing I ever read hahahah. Everyone EQUAL hahaha baw haw haw haw. You better go back to guild school boy. When I put out all the cash and effort to get a GOOD guild going everyone is certainly going to comply to MY rules just like in real life where I am supervisor of 25 employees when I say jump they ask how high.

The lack of dicipline is a growing problem in just about every industry nowadays, but, I still run MY ship MY way with old school tactics that WORK and keep people WORKING and not playing games behind managers/supervisors backs. I catch a person playing a game any game at work and they are gone gone gone on the spot bye bye hit the door baby. But, I play at work of course cause I'm the owner hahahah

lol I'd be willing to bet that I could do your job for a month and get three times the amount of work you get done. If you want people to work hard the best way is to make them want to or at least to make it worth their while, chances are all 25 of those people are just doing enough not to get fired and even then they probably put more effort into looking like they are working then actually working. I'd love to work for you though, it wouldn't last long but I'd have a blast. I can see it now, you say jump and I say no thank you. Used to piss a lot of people off doing things like that, sadly I don't have any wannabe tyrants to make fun of atm. Oh well you'll do lol. Anyways to the OP I suggest talking to the person recruiting before joining a guild. I guild hoped for over a year(about 11 guilds I think.) before I just quit joining. I stumbled upon the guild I'm in now by pure luck. We may not be very big or active but I like all the people in it and I have yet to leave the guild because I got sick of listening to people bitch about stargate sg-1(Yes I left a guild over that, it just wasn't funny after awhile.)

Lonesamurai · Feb 11, 2008, 02:23 PM // 14:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwei2stein

It also works the other way: People leaving.

If i give Red Sonya shaddows of doubt and pretend that he is owner of small company/some supervisor, this is going to happen with his jackass apprach:

* People have no respect for him. That goes from badmouthing him behind his back 24/7. That also inludes knife in his back asap chance is given and go over your dead body.

* People leave. He will get stuck with people who are bad at their job and fresh graduates which leave asap they can put "one year of junioring" in their CV., able people will leave for better job unless there is something serious preventing them.

* Poor performance. If boss is playing games at work, you are not going to work extra hard to have his ass when he needs it.

That means your company/department is in deep shit. That means that you are in deep shit.

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And to think that you are running game guild with same mindset ...

Its funny I hada group of guildies including a respected poster on here leave in october last year (apparently it was too much work), because it was being run like a business...

Businesses run in a certain way because that way works... The model I'm using, like you talked about, works and has been around alot longer than big business and any guildie/officer that doesn't like it can go jump...

I run a multi game guild, thats a business with multiple subsidiaries

Not too mention a guild costs money to run (IRC, Forum, Website, Ventrilo, etc) and for extra fun i set up a Radio Station for them to listen to and enjoy whilst gaming...

However, Red Sonya is an ass... and although shit rolls downhill when theres trouble, ideas and better working practices work both ways and my guild has as much say in the guild as I do, I ask my guildies and get my officers to ask guildies what THEY want to do and what THEY want to hear on the station as its meant to be fun

Torqual · Feb 11, 2008, 02:58 PM // 14:58

It looks like you have taken the right decision finally, to not be in a guild.

All guild hoppers are the same; they never find a guild that is 'good' enough for them. The problem is the attitude of a large number of players. They want to evaluate a guild in terms of the benefit it can bring them. What can *I* get out of this guild, they think? Use of hall? Nice cape? Alternative to using wiki as you are too lazy? Run me from A>B? People to buy your junk? Free stuff even?

.... they then sit in these guilds for a week or two, trying to take not give, asking questions like 'whats a good farming spot' or 'someone to run Vizunah Square plzzzz???'... they are asking for other people to stop playing and donate their *time* to enriching their experience. Either they are spotted as leeches and ignored, or take advantage of some helpful friendly people (usually officers) until this dries up.

The inevitable conclusion is that they
a) Whine about how quiet the guild is/how no one speaks to them
b) Leave

Guilds are like so many things in life. You get out of them what you put in. A large minority of the GW community really doesn't *get* this concept and these are the people that change guilds regularly.

The other problem is of course that playing any game for several thousand hours tends to give people the conceit that they are good, even 'leet'. Some people then have difficulty accepting others' different views or appreciating when they have themselves, genuinely messed up. These people also have difficulty interacting with others as they prefer the blind obedience of their own heroes to the compromise involved in human-human interaction.

In conclusion, the people that hop guilds are generally leeches or elitist nobs. I am not accusing the OP of being either, but just suggesting that *all 15* guilds were bad is unlikely. In my view, there is no such thing as a bad guild. Every guild is made of people of like mind who group together to interact and co-operate in some positive way. They all have their own different norms but the essence is there:- the members contribute, they show respect for each other.

Anyone that has trouble with the idea of guilds probably has a problem with either or both of: contributing, and respecting others. It's *not* the guilds that are to blame; by their very existence they are the things the 'hoppers' are not.

Rushin Roulette · Feb 11, 2008, 03:39 PM // 15:39

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

Lol BOY you ARE living in a FANTASY world thinking like that hahahah that's the funniest thing I ever read hahahah. Everyone EQUAL hahaha baw haw haw haw. You better go back to guild school boy. When I put out all the cash and effort to get a GOOD guild going everyone is certainly going to comply to MY rules just like in real life where I am supervisor of 25 employees when I say jump they ask how high.

The lack of dicipline is a growing problem in just about every industry nowadays, but, I still run MY ship MY way with old school tactics that WORK and keep people WORKING and not playing games behind managers/supervisors backs. I catch a person playing a game any game at work and they are gone gone gone on the spot bye bye hit the door baby. But, I play at work of course cause I'm the owner hahahah

Lol, you cant be serious.... your company must be really new (no work for you to do) or incredibly far in debts and I can see from your post that it is badly managed anyways.

If my Boss would tell me to "Jump" He can expect a snappy answer back (in private) and then a good laugh at the pub on weekends.

Another company boss I know is maybe a bit harsh and reacts the way you say you do, but hes well respected by his employees who WOULD ask how high to jump when he says out of one reason only. Hes 200% dedicated to his company. He works from 5 AM to at least 9PM every day including Saturdays (only 10AM-8PM sundays mind you) and he runs a tight ship and has earned his respect that way.

@OP Find yourself a few friends in other games (HL2DM adn CSS in my case). Earn their respect by being a good member in their clan and convince them to join the guild which you started in GW (youll have to do that now though) once they buy the game... worked for me

Im XO in my guild (after the Guildleader and her Husband who I count as one anyways). All players are promoted to officer after a short trial period of 2-3 weeks (to see if they actually play the game after joining the guild and that they are helpfull or friendly).
Any Member who would mouth out in guildchat about another member would get one warning, and then I will check what happened and demote the trouble maker who caused it if nothing changes (officer->member->kicked).

So many guilds in such a short period does seem like either incredibly bad luck on you, or as so mayn have said in this thread already... your fault. You seem to always land at the last part of my equation from what you say (member-> kick), just make sure you request a 3 person chat in a team with the officer you have a problem with and the guild leader as a mediator. If this doesnt work out, then leave the guild of your own accord. Dont wait for the leader to kick you.

enter_the_zone · Feb 11, 2008, 05:21 PM // 17:21

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Originally Posted by kratimas

You could not have hit the nail on the head any better.

My 7 year old son is more mature and intelligent then most of our managers.

Krat

He's also probably more mature and intelligent than 80% of the people who play GW. Never seen an online game with so many puerile people in it.

Trvth Jvstice · Feb 11, 2008, 05:47 PM // 17:47

Lol, everyone that believes Red Sonya actually owns a business AND has enough time to play and run a guild, raise their hand (I'm betting he works at Burger King). I doubt Red Sonya has a guild with any one but himself. If he's the demanding jerk he says he is, the people in his guild would meet others in normal guilds and leave his immediately.

Tyla · Feb 11, 2008, 07:26 PM // 19:26

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Originally Posted by anonymous

Wow you are a real idiot. I can't stand hypocrites like you. Its wrong for you to do something but its ok for me because I am the authority. That is a bulls*** viewpoint.

2nd its just a game. I can understand firing someone for doing something they aren't supposed to on the job, because they are getting paid, but unless you are paying your members to be in the guild that doesn't carry over.

Agreed.
Authority gives you the right to take action when someone goes against the rules, but it doesn't allow you to treat anyone different/be treated any different to what everyone else is treated like simply because of being able to keep the rules intact.

The Way Out · Feb 11, 2008, 07:49 PM // 19:49

Wait wait wait wait... I think this guy was in my guild at one point... and I only kick people who rage into guild chat or cause disruptive behavior... hmm???

On another note... there are a lot of bad guilds out there... that keep their upper numbers locked and just abuse new members. Having said that, this guy is no good. I can smell it... and your name brings back a bad memory of some sort... I want to say you are a guild whiner or guild inciter.

You are the common denominator in each guild you join. 5 bad guilds... I understand... but 15? I haven't been in more than three in the past three years.

Here are my own general guidelines for kicking people...

raging into guild chat (we have a lot of girls and younger players in the guild).
vent related retard behavior (kick a former member for jumping in and out of channels with annoying phonetic in vent).
Taunting officers
Inciting other members to change things
Constant begging (I think the OP was this guy)
Etc...

Lonesamurai · Feb 11, 2008, 07:53 PM // 19:53

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Originally Posted by The Way Out

Constant begging (I think the OP was this guy)

Irun a three strikes your out, but this is one of the instakick reasons

romeus petrus · Feb 11, 2008, 08:04 PM // 20:04

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Originally Posted by Cherng Butter

I'm part of SNOW, and we have 100 members, which is awesome. And we're all officers, so...no abuse

Im in LOD and we run at 100 members too with 30+ online most nights. However; we only have 10 officers who are always kept in check and have been in the guild for a very long time ( some since the creation 2.5 years ago). Things run fairly flawlessly and nobdy really gets kicked as a part of an officer vandetta.

The only problem I see with having an all officer guild is that the guild would be at a high risk for the occaisional "nuking" by some disgrunted "officer".

Back on topic, 15 kicks in 6 months means the problem is much more likely to be in the OP not 15 guilds.

The Way Out · Feb 11, 2008, 08:07 PM // 20:07

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Originally Posted by romeus petrus

Im in LOD and we run at 100 members too with 30+ online most nights. However; we only have 10 officers who are always kept in check and have been in the guild for a very long time ( some since the creation 2.5 years ago). Things run fairly flawlessly and nobdy really gets kicked as a part of an officer vandetta.

The only problem I see with having an all officer guild is that the guild would be at a high risk for the occaisional "nuking" by some disgrunted "officer".

Back on topic, 15 kicks in 6 months means the problem is much more likely to be in the OP not 15 guilds.

Let me flex...

Leader of FooL

26 officers

65 members

seventy log on daily...

and none of it means we are a good guild (hahahahahahahaha)